About College (re-post)

by lora on July 6, 2010 at 4:24 pm

This is the third article in my series “How We Raise Our Daughters.” I would encourage you to visit the original post to view the comments. Some great questions were asked which prompted a good discussion. Please leave a comment on this post and let me know your thoughts on daughters attending college.

In my first article in this series, I very briefly mentioned our plans to not send our daughters to college, saying I would address it in the future. I have been writing this in my head for days (that is how I always begin the writing process) and have had some difficulty. I have come to see that many of our convictions, this one especially, are based not only in our view of how to raise children, or school them, but they are tied into our whole view of our Christian walk. Because of that, I can’t write this in four bullet points; it will have to be more comprehensive.

I recognize that what Gene and I do with our family is very counter-culture, but it is not counter-culture for the sake of being so. We have chosen the path we have after much thought, and it has come about over a period of time. It may seem to some that we have not carefully thought out our decisions taking everything into account. I can assure you that we have, and we still came to the same conclusions.

Careers for our Daughters

Many believe that a woman should go to college even if she doesn’t plan on entering the workforce… just in case.
Just in case she never marries, just in case her husband dies, just in case she divorces. These may seem like valid reasons to some, and maybe they are, but we don’t base our decisions on the possible outcome; we base our decisions on the principles we learn from scripture. If she never marries, she can have a home business. Many people every day chuck their college degrees to start home businesses. For that matter, many people change careers never using that degree again. Just because someone doesn’t have a college degree doesn’t mean they can’t earn a living. The question then becomes, how much money do you truly need. As Christians, this is something we should truly examine for ourselves. Are we to be filling our storehouses and living large? What are we truly called to do? If you read the book of Acts, I don’t think you will find that the first century Christians were living for themselves, seeing how much wealth they could acquire. So, if we aren’t required to earn the biggest salary possible, what are we to do? Make enough to meet our needs. Many millions of people are able to do so without having a college degree. Though, there are many who do quite well for themselves without a degree. Bill Gates didn’t have a degree until this year, and even that was just an honorary degree. Earning a living is as much about drive as it is education.

If our daughter’s husband were to die, she would need to be able to support herself and her children. This is where our convictions come heavily into play. We believe in a strong family and are teaching our children to be unified. I truly don’t believe that if one of our daughters was widowed that Gene, I or my other daughters would allow her family to suffer. That is how it should be, not just as family members but as Christians. This idea is something that many Christians today have put aside. They are content with the government taking over the job the church should be doing in this and other areas. As Christians we are required to help our brother in need. Too often, we are resentful, not wanting to share our “hard earned money” with others. The root of this thought process is greed and selfishness. Nothing we have is ours, it all belongs to God.

We don’t teach our daughters to have the mindset that they may divorce. If you go into marriage with the mindset that you may one day divorce… you probably will. While we are aware that we can’t control the actions of our daughters’ husbands, we can teach our children that marriage is forever. You would be naive to think that there couldn’t have been times in my own marriage (or any for that matter) where things were not extremely tough. If divorce isn’t an option, then you have to work through the hard times, and you come out stronger on the other side.

Along this line is the Western thought of providing security for ourselves. I am sure that our brothers and sisters in Ethiopia, The Sudan, and other persecuted countries would laugh our “Christianity.” We as a culture are obsessed with security, be it our health, our finances or our borders. We proudly proclaim how we can “take care of ourselves.” We try to prepare for every eventuality, thinking we can control the outcome, when we can’t. I’m not saying that we throw all our planning out the window and do nothing. I am saying we need to recognize who the author and finisher of our faith is, and in whose hands we are residing. We are resting in a false sense of security when we depend upon ourselves. The only security we have is in Christ. We cannot prepare for every eventuality, but we do the best we can, teaching our daughters to rely upon the Lord.

Thoughts on College
It has been proposed that our daughter may need that college degree somewhere down the road. While this may seem well thought out on the surface, there are some other things that need to be considered. One thing that is not being taken into consideration in this line of thinking is the change in the marketplace. For instance, if my daughter received her degree in 2007, but never used it (remember, it’s an insurance policy) and was widowed in 2027, the marketplace changes would be drastic. Unless she is involved in continuing education, there is no way she would be able to compete for a job with those who are fresh out of college.

Another concern we have about college is the huge financial debt from student loans that many have upon entering marriage. The debt is huge for one person, but for both, it’s astronomical. The stress and burden this places on a new marriage is very detrimental. There is also the feeling that after spending all of that money on college, they are just throwing the money away if they don’t use it. Which in turn puts pressure on the wife to work, to justify the expenditure.

I know I don’t have sons, but if I did, what would I do differently? Would I allow them to attend college? If for instance they wanted to be engineers, how would we work that out? After giving it a great deal of thought, here are some of the options we have. First, is distance learning. This is huge now, and I would venture a guess that they could do most if not all to earn a degree this way. If not, we would look at them commuting to a local college while living at home. There are ways to do this without immersing yourself into the university system.

Should a young man’s options be so limited to cause him to think that he can only provide for his family if he has a degree? My husband never attended college, yet he has always provided for our family, often making as much or more than many with degrees. Should a man be looked down on for enjoying working with his hands as opposed to being a “professional”? We need firemen, policemen, plumbers, carpenters, and mechanics. It is an elitist society that looks down their noses at those who don’t have degrees. Because someone doesn’t have a degree doesn’t mean they don’t have the intelligence for it. It may mean that they have a different direction for their life, much like George Washington and Harry Truman did.

College and a Love of Learning

Many people equate going to college with continuing their love of learning. When I went to college, such was not the case. For most college students, their degree is seen as a means to an end. Few people are there because they love to learn. They are there because they have a career in mind, and this is what they have to do to get it.

I have tried to instill a love of learning in my children from early childhood. If you have a true love of learning, you will always be seeking knowledge and truth. My girls love learning new things, and are almost always seeking out information on something. Just yesterday, Rachel decided to learn the recorder. She couldn’t find her book, so she went online and found tutorials and music. She’s been playing for hours and is getting better with each passing moment. When I first began homeschooling, I saw the importance of teaching my children to love learning, and how to teach themselves whatever they needed to know. Then came along the internet, and it made it even easier. If my girls came across something they didn’t know about, we would all stop what we were doing and search it out together, online. I remember years ago finding a puff-ball mushroom in the yard. The girls and I found a video online that showed how it would explode and send it’s spores into the air. That was about 8 years ago, and they all still remember it. If you can teach a child how to learn, they can learn anything. That’s why I’ve never been a big fan of the traditional or classical models. I want to instill curiosity in my children, not studying to pass a test. In all honesty, I don’t give tests; haven’t in years, and don’t plan on starting. I don’t have to give them a spelling test to see if they know how to spell a word, it will come up in their writing if they don’t, and we will correct it then.

The love of learning is something that is cultivated over time, like a garden. There are many weeds that come along and can choke out that love as well. Most of those weeds are found within the institutional learning systems. Think back to your school days, if you can remember much of them. You spent a week or so studying a subject, then you crammed for a test and moved on. At the end of the semester, you crammed for the semester test, trying to remember all that you had forgotten from earlier in the semester. Does this pattern establish a love of learning? I believe it destroys it. I actually didn’t develop my love of learning until I was out of school and married. It began because of spiritual questions I had in my life. I would do research and study so that I could understand things better. That began to bleed over into other areas of my life, and my desire for knowledge hasn’t stopped.

Not attending college doesn’t restrict your ability to pursue knowledge, but it does give you the freedom to learn more liberally.

God’s Plan for our Daughters

I know that many of you will strongly disagree with the following, and I’m o.k. with that. I do think this is something that needs to be addressed though, so I hope you will bear with me. If we base our daughters going to college on what they feel God has told them, we need to look at that closely for several reasons. First, our flesh (and our children’s) is wicked and desirous of being fed. Usually when I want something, I question it. If I want it, there’s a good chance that God doesn’t. Not because I’m so out of tune with God, but because I’m a sinner. Second, does their going to college line up with scripture? The scriptures don’t address this topic specifically, so to call it sin would be wrong, but there are some Biblical principles to look at. We are told not to sit in the counsel of the ungodly, and humanistic professors would fall into that category (Ps 1:1). We are told that wives are to be keepers at home (Titus 2:5). We are told to be in the world not of it (John 17:14). It is very hard to not be of it, in the university setting. We are also told that bad company corrupts good morals (1 Cor 15:33). We are not to be seeking worldly wisdom, but the wisdom of God (1 Cor 3:19). Our unmarried daughters are to be concerned with the things of God (1 Cor 7:34). The last part of James 1:27 is very important (as is the first, it just doesn’t apply to this part of the article… but it does apply to the first part on families), it states that we are to be unstained by the world. How can we do that if we are abiding in a place that is on the whole so ungodly.

We have made women going to college the “norm”, and it isn’t even questioned, but rather expected. It’s odd that a young woman deciding on devoting her single years to serving God in many capacities is scorned, but a young woman going off to college to gain the wisdom of the world is lauded. Does that seem in balance to you? My mindset is to be different than that of “the world” and if it isn’t, I need to do some self-examination. A few years ago I noticed a trend, which greatly disturbed me. It seems that most of the professing Christians I knew were trying to live as much like the world as possible and still call themselves Christians. Shouldn’t it be the other way around? Shouldn’t we be trying to be as much like Christ as possible while living within the world?

This is written not to condemn anyone who has chosen to send their daughters off to college, or chosen a path that is different from ours. It is merely expressing how Gene and I arrived at the decisions we have. My hope is that you will examine the validity of our reasons, and not just assume that we are uninformed, or naive. We love our children and have no desire to restrict or repress them; in fact, we actively seek to encourage deep thought. Teaching them to question the veracity of what they are told. They are allowed and encouraged to question our reasonings and thoughts behind our decisions, as long as they are respectful. We also teach them to reason out a problem, based on scriptural truths.

Other Articles in this Series:

How We Raise Our Daughters

The Perfect Family

Segregation and Youth Groups

by lora on June 30, 2010 at 6:13 pm

http://www.vimeo.com/12280117

I posted this video on my Facebook wall and received a note from a friend who shared why she thought youth groups weren’t all bad. I began writing a response to her, which followed my normal pattern of being quite lengthy. I decided I would make it into a blog post, because I am sure that many people would have the same thoughts and questions.

I understand that many adults today grew up in youth groups and believe them to be the backbone of young people coming to Christ. I was actually saved during a Wednesday night youth Bible study. I would ask you to take a step back and consider what I am writing with an open mind. We can’t judge truth based on our experiences or feelings, we are to only judge based on scripture.

It’s really hard to argue with the statistics, and on this topic they are staggering. In a membership class recently, Voddie shared them with us and I was astounded. Young adults are leaving the churches in droves. The conservative figure is that 75% of young people leave the church by the end of their freshman year of college, and the higher number is up to 88%. If you would like to hear more about these statistics and the issues raised by this video, take the time to listen to Voddie’s sermon, The Centrality of the Home in the Evangelism and Discipleship of the Next Generation.

I know of many parents who ask their youth leaders to intercede with their children because they don’t know how to reach them and the church happily takes on this responsibility. The youth leader will act as a moral compass and try to direct the child, sometimes in the direction the parents desire, sometimes not. Shouldn’t the church be working with the parents to help them be able to communicate with their child as opposed to making the gulf wider by affirming that the parents are unable to reach their children? Many will ask the question, “What about the teen whose parents don’t attend church?” We have this backward idea that the way to win the parents is by first winning the children. Where did we get this? Did it come from Jesus telling the people not to prevent the children from coming to Him? If you really look at that passage, it supports family integration. Jesus was talking to adults and the children wanted to come and be a part, and He said not to forbid them from coming (wonder what He’d say to children’s church, but that’s a whole other post). He was wanting to include them, not save them so that they could in turn try to convert their parents.

We often try to justify what we are doing because we see “fruit”, and we all know that good fruit can’t come from a bad vine, right? So if we are getting results it must be a good thing. One of the problems with this argument is you usually don’t know what type of fruit you are getting immediately. We can read the parable of the sower to see this. If we are to believe the statistics, then what we are seeing when we look at a group of teens who are 15 isn’t representative of what we will have when they are 20. Let me use myself as an example. I began going to church when I was 14. I was in youth group, choir, and I was at church every time the doors were open. Every year at camp I would walk the aisle, burdened by guilt of the worldly lifestyle I was living. I would try to be a “good girl” and do what was expected of me from those at church. As I became a young adult, my worldliness shifted to the activities of a worldly young adult. I was still in church every time the doors opened, I wouldn’t have missed it for anything. I also would have told you I was saved and that I was living the life of a normal “Christian” teen/young adult. Then one Wednesday night 27 years ago I fell on my face, and was overwhelmed by my sin. I saw who I was, and that God was a holy God, and that apart from His forgiveness and my repentance, His wrath would abide upon me. I became radically different, and my heart was turned toward those in my youth group who may have been walking down the same path that I had been. I was often ridiculed by my peers within the youth group for the choices I was making. Very few were supportive of my changes; most didn’t understand my willingness to put my desires aside and serve others. My concern was that many within that group were in the same state that I had been, unsaved, but blind to that reality.

Our choices bringing about a good result, don’t in turn mean that the choices we made are God’s best or that they are scriptural. Shouldn’t we be striving to do our best in how we put our faith into practice? If in the Bible families worshiped together, with the parents training their children, why should we think we should do it differently? Is it because the Bible is “living & changing” and we need to adapt to the culture or the changing times? I believe that we should to look at ourselves and what we practice, asking ourselves some important questions.

1. Why are we doing this?
2. Does if follow scripture?
3. Are we trying to be “effective” or Biblical?
4. What does the scripture say on this topic?

Family integration isn’t just about families worshiping together as many believe. It is much more than that, it is a lifestyle. We believe that as parents we are the ones who are to instruct our children in righteousness. We are to guide and direct them in their spiritual walk. We don’t believe that responsibility is to be abdicated and placed in the hands of someone else. I think that is where part of the disconnect comes from those who see something like this and want to cite exceptions. The bigger point is that we firmly believe that when you give your child over to a “youth leader” to be discipled, the parent is abdicating their responsibility.

While there may be the rare youth group that is “effective” they are non-normative. For 98% they do not encourage a lifestyle that is mentioned in 1John, they encourage being as much like the world as possible and unashamedly take their cues from the culture. I can’t state how many times I have heard youth ministers, or pastors say that we need to adapt and change to be more hip, or cool, so that the young people will want to come into the church. Statistics show that the church as a whole is getting something drastically wrong. We can choose to keep on the path we have been on for the last 50 years or we can examine what is going on and try to correct our course. Should we ever keep doing things if the best reason we can come up with is, “That’s how we’ve always done it.” or “We don’t know what else to do.”. We need to make fundamental changes in how we as Christians operate as a family and as churches. Our focus should be on Christ and training our children to follow Him.

Behind the Scenes

by lora on June 23, 2010 at 4:25 am

Many things have been going on behind the scenes around here, and my simple life hasn’t been so simple as of late. I have several projects on which I am working, and I am finding to be quite exciting. I’ll share about them a little later in the post.

On the home-front things have been chugging on along. The girls’ asthma seems worse this summer than it has in the past. I’m not a meteorologist, but I believe it had something to do with the hard winter. Lindsay’s pregnancy is progressing well. She is still having some nausea, but it seems to be abating somewhat. We have 213 days left, but who’s counting? Gene’s job has changed somewhat. He was over the gas chromatograph assembly for his company, and he has recently added working in the lab as well as doing more installations to his responsibilities. His new responsibilities will require him to travel more, though right now we are unsure how much.

Planning has been a high priority lately. I am trying to use my time more efficiently and have been making plans as to how to do so. In this planning phase I have also been evaluating my websites, looking at ways I may want to improve them. I am also working on a schedule for my writing. I had really never thought about looking forward and planning my writing several posts in advance (I know, it is so obvious, but somehow I missed that), but now that I’m looking into it, I think the planning will help me be more productive.

I have also been studying on several topics including writing, blogging and blog development in the last month. I have found a couple of really great sites that have superb content. They have more information than I could possibly absorb. The first one is Problogger and the second is Copyblogger.

Writing has been taking up a great deal of time as well. I know you haven’t seen it here, but it has been going on behind the scenes. I am working on two e-books, which I hope to have finished in the next six weeks, and I wrote an article for Raising Homemakers earlier this week.

All that I have been working on is helping me move into to a direction about which I am very excited. I am working toward the launch of a new website in early August. The purpose of the site will be to encourage homeschooling families. My vision is to have a place that is welcoming and makes you want to grab a cup of tea and stay for a visit. It will have “How-to” articles, resources and a blog where I will write on topics such as setting family goals and family life.

As you can see, while things on my blog may not have been hopping as of late, life has been. Do you have any great planning ideas? If so please share them.

Raising Homemakers

by lora on June 20, 2010 at 9:53 pm

Raising Homemakers

Do you have a daughter that you are raising to be a keeper at home? Do you sometimes feel discouraged and alone because the way you are raising your daughters is going against the cultural flow? Would you like encouragement and practical advice to help you along as you walk this path? If the answer to any of these questions is yes, then I have the place for you!

Raising Homemakers is a new blog that was launched on June 1st. Many women are already finding it to be a great source of encouragement. The authors are mothers and daughters who are walking this path, sharing their experiences with us as they go along. You can also be encouraged by the comments and questions of other mothers and daughters who are walking along this sometimes difficult to navigate road. The daughters who are writing give us a glimpse into their lives as stay at home daughters.

I have been familiar with some of the authors for years, and am enjoying becoming acquainted with those who are new to me. I hope that you will take the time to browse around the sites of all of the contributors as they are all unique in their writing styles and content.

I am quite happy to share with you that tomorrow (June 21, 2010) I will be guest posting on Raising Homemakers. I count myself blessed to be posting with these ladies. I hope that you will drop by and leave a note and stay a spell.

Controversial Topics And Our Responses

by lora on June 4, 2010 at 4:04 am

As Christians we are supposed to show mercy and grace to others. The difficulty arises when a controversial topic comes up. What are we to do then? Many people would say that we should avoid difficult or controversial topics and be at peace with all men. I’m sure we’ve all heard the old adage about not discussing religion or politics. How as Christians are we supposed to avoid the topic of religion? Isn’t everything we do and think supposed to be affected by our faith?

Since the scriptures are supposed to be our guide, let’s look at a few instances which deal with difficult issues. When Paul was warning the Galatians about false teachers he called them foolish (Gal 3:1). Sounds like he could have used a course in how to win friends and influence people. Then there was his issue with Cephas and Peter. In Gal 2:11 he writes that he told Cephas off to his face and Paul calls him condemned. Ouch! This dispute he had with Peter and Cephas is believed to have lasted 14 years. The issue, the salvation of the Gentiles. In 2 Tim 4:10 he also says that Demas deserted him and that he loved this present world. I point this out because many have problems if you name a certain pastor and say his teaching is false. They think that you aren’t giving them the benefit of the doubt. Let me show you what Paul has to say on the matter of teaching a false gospel.

I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received he is to be accursed!
For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ. Gal 1:6-10(NASB)

Do you think there is any purpose in him stating twice that to preach another gospel makes you accursed? Do you think he took it lightly? Was it just a matter of opinion? Did he seem worried about offending, or not being tolerant? Does it seem rather unloving and harsh? The truth is, he was very loving. He loved his brothers and sisters in Christ enough to tell them the hard things. He knew that it mattered eternally that he spoke the truth.

In much of Paul’s writings he is warning the church of the false teachers and doctrines they were finding in their daily lives. I’m sure after his letter were read in the church there were many who made statements like the following.
“Isn’t he judgmental?!”
“Who does he think he is, Mr. High and Mighty?”
“He needs to learn to be a little more tolerant of others and how they worship.”

Why is it today that when a false teacher is discussed it isn’t the teacher being questioned and ridiculed, but the one making the statements? Why are we so willing to throw all of the teachings about false doctrine aside and only misapply Matt 7:1? Why are we so willing to boycott a company because we don’t like their insurance plan’s regulations, but we are unwilling to take a look at those who name Christ? Have we not read Matt 7:21-23 and 1 Cor 5:12-13?

Now there are those who speak the truth, but don’t speak with love. I have met some of them. I have met some who don’t speak the truth, and don’t speak with love. Because there are some who don’t show love, doesn’t mean that all who point out false teaching or practice aren’t showing love.

Some don’t like absolutes and like to say, “You can’t put God in a box.” I’d like to agree with them. I can’t put God in a box. He put himself there. He put himself in a great big box, it’s called the Bible. He told us He would never change. He also admonished those who would add to or take away from His word.

Before you get angry that someone is being intolerant or controversial, ask yourself a couple of questions. Do I know what the Bible says about this topic or am I basing what I believe on what I have heard? How important is it that the truth of God’s word be proclaimed?

Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace be with all those who love or Lord Jesus Christ with incorruptible love. Eph 6:24(NASB)